Re-6: [ObjectWeb architecture] just an idea for (Java) native compilation

[<markus.karg@xxxxxxxxx>]

JP,

as you know ObjectWeb is a democratic institution. That's why we currently 
have this discussion. It is essential to have discussions in democratic 
institutions to find the way that most members will go. This is why I like 
talking to you all. My intention is not to stop anyone from anything but to 
participate in finding the best solution. I am doing this in small (code 
lines), also in large (this discussion).

IMHO many of the ObjectWeb projects should be stopped from driven solely 
under the roof of ObjectWeb thanks to their innovative character and their 
effect on the complete Java platform. Often the ideas behind that project are 
so good that they should become a standard for the platform, but since it are 
ObjectWeb projects only but not JCP projects leads to a local solution where 
there should be a global one. Some of that projects that are inventing new 
great technology, should be done inside of ObjectWeb's leadership of a JSR at 
the JCP. This would allow defining the street where we drive on, instead of 
only creating a new kind of car ALSO prevents creating a new kind of road 
that is only accessable by that people that know ObjectWeb.

Sure this makes realization of the core idea a lengthy and problematic 
process, but I believe in beeing worth it.

Have Fun
Markus

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Re-4: [ObjectWeb architecture] just an idea for (Java) native 
compilation (26-Sep-2003 9:47)
From:    jeanphilippe.fassino@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To:      markus.karg@xxxxxxxxx

> ObjectWeb is not only JOnAS and own other projects :-).
>
> JP
>
> Le vendredi, 26 sep 2003, à 07:38 Europe/Paris, <markus.karg@xxxxxxxxx>
> a écrit :
>
> > So what you actually want to do with that OCaml thing is to make JOnAS
> > server run as an embedded controller? Sounds cool. :-) But actually it
> > might be a problem porting all that enterprise APIs into the limited
> > RAM of an embedded controller...?
> >
> > Have Fun
> > Markus
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Re-2: [ObjectWeb architecture] just an idea for (Java)
> > native compilation (26-Sep-2003 8:53)
> > From:    jeanphilippe.fassino@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To:      markus.karg@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>
> >> Le vendredi, 26 sep 2003, à 05:49 Europe/Paris,
> >> <markus.karg@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> a écrit :
> >>
> >>> So until there is a real world benchmark that showcases a valueable
> >>> benefit from static precompilation compared to the LATEST (!) hotspot
> >>> technology (not hotspot 1.3 or 1.4.2, but 1.5) I do not see that Java
> >>> really needs a native compiler.
> >>
> >> This is totally true if you consider server or personal computer with
> >> many memory. But if you consider
> >> embedded constraint systems where HotSpot is too large, you may need
> >> native compilation.
> >> Nevertheless, GCJ isn't the solution because it don't improve
> >> performance and don't need
> >> less memory compare to HotSpot.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> JP
> >>
> >>
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