Re: [architecture] Fwd: greeting from XimpleWare

["Jimmy zhang" <jzhang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Antoine,

Thanks for the questions.

1. Currently vtd-xml is non-validating.
2. Remeber that comparing SAX and VTD-xml is not a fair comparison,
because SAX programming, when factoring in the logic to track state and
buffer conect, is far slower than its raw speed. Therefore VTD-XML is
far better than SAX in that it offers random access.

3. Pull parser has the same problem as SAX: it is difficult,  sometimes
incapcitating,
in dealing with complex documents. The result is bulky, hardcoded code that
is hard to maintain. VTD-XML is much easier to use than SAX, VTD-XML
is even easier to use than DOM. Try it and you will see.

4. with VTD-XML, the assumption is about to change, SAX and PULL no
 longer offers teh most scalable solution, VTD-XML will be better by a big
 margin.

5. if i understand correctly DOM is considered resource intensive not
because
it has to buffer the XML document, instead it is because there is 5~10x size
increase when converted into a DOM tree. VTD-XML is about 30% ~50%
bigger, making it far more resource friendly than DOM.

6. VTD-XML should give people the combination of easy to use, high
performance
and resource conserving and many more new features, such as incremental
update.

I look forward to your suggestion!
Cheers,
Jimmy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antoine Mensch" <antoine.mensch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jzhang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Francois Letellier" <francois.letellier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<college@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "architecture" <architecture@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<executive-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: [architecture] Fwd: greeting from XimpleWare


> Hi,
>
> I have a few questions/comments on the Ximpleware parser:
> - XML parsers usually come with XML validation, based on DTD, XML Schema
> and/or Relax NG. Which type of validation does VTD-XML support?
> - I've read the benchmark document comparing VTD-XML, DOM and SAX: it
shows
> performance improvements over SAX for parsing an in-memory buffer(which by
> the way is just one part of a complete XML application) of about 20-30%.
> Pull parsers (such as those implementing StAX) usually provide similar
> performance improvements over SAX: do you have any benchmarks comparing
> VTD-XML and a pull parser such as XPP?
> - Your goal is to improve performance and scalability of Web Services: how
> do you intend to proceed? I see two potential problems in your approach:
> * One well-known approach to perf and scalability improvement is to use
> streaming and pull parsing for processing SOAP messages:  my understanding
> is that VTD-XML is not particularly well-suited for that (as you keep a
copy
> of the XML document in memory).
> * Many Web Services toolkits (such as Axis, but commercial toolkits do the
> same) use the JAXP interface to support the plug-in of a different XML
> parser: which JAXP interfaces do you currently support, and which ones do
> you intend to support in the future? We can also expect new versions of WS
> toolkits to support the StAX (Streaming API) API for better perf and
> scalability. Do you plan to support this API as well?
>
> Cheers
>
> Antoine Mensch
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Francois Letellier [mailto:francois.letellier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Envoye : mardi 10 aout 2004 11:57
> > A : college@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; architecture
> > Cc : jzhang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; executive-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Objet : [architecture] Fwd: greeting from XimpleWare
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > FYI: XimpleWare is currently considering joining OW and maybe submitting
> > their project, VTD-XML, as an OW project.
> > The email below explains it all...
> >
> > - Francois
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jimmy zhang" <jzhang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <francois.letellier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: greeting from XimpleWare
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:31:16 -0700
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi, Francois,
> > >
> > >   How are you? Hope all is well.
> > >
> > >   It was nice talking with you last week in Linux Expo.
> > >I am just glad to know that ObjectWeb is offering the
> > >world such a great product for free.
> > >
> > >   We (ximpleware) recently released an open source
> > >software called VTD-XML on sourceforge
> > >(http://vtd-xml.sf.net). The goal is simple: we want to
> > >make XML Web services applications scale. The
> > >problem with current generation XML processing
> > >technology is it will suck up to 90% of CPU cycles.
> > >There has been a lot of interesting development in
> > >W3C over the subject of binary XML. Our position
> > >paper is available at
> > >http://www.w3.org/2003/08/binary-interchange-workshop/20-ximplewa
> re-positionpaper-updated.htm
> >which gives a pretty good overview of the technology.
> >
> >   We are very interested in learning more on how
> >We can partner with Object web to deliver move
> >the XML web services initiative forward. Could you
> >suggest procedures or contacts within ObjectWeb?
> >I appreciate your suggestion of any kind.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Jimmy Zhang
> >===========
>
>
>
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