Re: [community] ObjectWeb, Java and Free/Open Source software

[Markus Karg <markus.karg@xxxxxxx>]

As long as the NAME "Java" is owned by Sun, they can dictate freely who may 
use that name and who may not. If that name is no more owned by Java but 
given away to an open, free consortium e. g. JCP.org, the need to be 
compliant to the CTS is the same as before (and it is good to assure that any 
Java implementation in CTS conformant!), but THEN a free organization like 
JCP will provide FREE access. This means, the problem is NOT the CTS, but the 
fact that Sun is the owner of the trademark. What someone implementing Java 
wants is not getting a free certification from Sun, but the right to call his 
stuff "Java". Thats the point with the trademark. As soon as sun cannot 
control anymore the usage of the name Java, because a free organization owns 
that name, no one can be forces to pay lots of money to sun for a 
certification test.

Am Montag, 15. März 2004 14:44 schrieb Pierre-Yves Gibello:
> Emmanuel Cecchet wrote:
> > Hi Markus,
> >
> >> I think the core point is not if Sun's Java Products are Open Source
> >> (in fact, you can get Open Source Implementations of Java already),
> >> but that the name "Java" should no more be a proprietary of Sun but a
> >> registered trademark of an independent organization.
> >
> > I don't fully agree with the statement that you can already get Open
> > Source Implementations of Java. Most of these implementations violate
> > the specification copyright that does not allow you to distribute such
> > implementation if it has not passed the compliance testing suite
> > (CTS). This is a real issue for all open source projects that
> > implement Java specifications since the CTS is not free and open.
> > I really don't care who has the trademark for the name or logo, I just
> > care about the openness of the specifications and the liberty to
> > implement the specs.
>
> I think Manu is right.
>
> Why should Sun give away their trademarks ? They invented Java, they are
> the legitimate owner.
>
> The point is, if they want support from the open-source community, they
> have to adopt a more open process. And we believe they will not succeed
> without the help of the community.
>
> So we kindly request them to open-source java...
>
> Regards,
>  Pierre-Yves Gibello - ExperLog