Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001
3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Enhydra: J2EE and
Enhydra Enterprise?
Lutris' makes money by selling software
products. Lutris Enhydra is the commercial version of open
source Enhydra. They are mostly the same, but Lutris Enhydra has
additional samples, doc, some features, etc.
Our intent was to do the same with a full
J2EE application server. After a year of negotiations and some
large legal bills, however, we have determined that we cannot move
forward with an open source J2EE project. The J2EE specification
and brand is controlled by the SCSL license. Signing the SCSL
license is important to Lutris for a number of reasons. It gives
us legal right to create product that adheres to the J2EE
specification. It also gives us access to the test suite
that will allow us to claim compliance. While J2EE compliance
and branding may not be important to some in the open source
community, it is important to commercial customers. It is these
customers that keep Lutris in business and allow us to continue the
support of Enhydra.org.
The SCSL license says many things.
One of them is that code, code modifications, test results, etc., may
not be shared with non-licensees. This means that once we sign
the SCSL license we cannot share anything under the J2EE
definition with the open source community. This means that we can
no longer host Enterprise. This is not our choice, it is the language
of the license.
Note that
Enhydra, Barracuda, XMLC, Zeus, EnhydraME, and all the other projects
on Enhydra.org are not covered by the SCSL license and are in no
way affected. They will continue forward as
always.
Some may wish to violate the SCSL
license, but we do not. Not only are there issues surrounding
liability, but ethical ones as well. Sun has spent huge sums
creating and promoting Java, J2SE, J2EE, J2ME, etc. They have
every right to determine how these technologies may be used by
others. Simply disagreeing with them does not give us or anyone
else the right to violate their license agreement.
The open source movement is about people
banding together to build and create. Let's keep doing so on the
projects that are ours: Enhydra, Zeus, Barracuda, EnhydraME,
etc.
Thanks.
Yancy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 10,
2001 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Enhydra: J2EE and
Enhydra Enterprise?
Quoting Paul Morgan (paul.morgan@xxxxxxxxxx):
>
Bob et al,
>
> You seem to know
a lot about the Sun licensing restrictions but
> you clearly
don't have the full story. No J2EE licensee can share code
>
modifications with non J2EE licensees. Think about that a
little...
> then perhaps you will understand the core issue
facing us. Another
> factor is that the SCSL license is in two
parts, the public part and
> the commercial extension that is
shared only under NDA. You are not
> considering the
commercial extension.
So, because Lutris is a J2EE licensee
and EAS is going for J2EE certification
and EAS and EE share a
common code base is why Lutris can no longer host EE?
Or is
it even simplier then that, because Lutris is a J2EE licensee, you
can
host EE?
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