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Re: [jawe] Start/End bubbles

yes, this was our idea of how to mark start/end activities if we remove 
start/end bubbles. The only problem is that this has to be
done at workflow creation time, so when you i.e. insert 10 activities into 
workflow, all of them will be collored both as start and
end activities until you connect them (this could also degrade JaWE's 


----- Original Message -----
From: <Peter.Wagner@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: [jawe] Start/End bubbles


well, I think shape and text (name) it is not important, but it is
defnitely important to clearly display start and end point.
If start and end bubbles are removed, the workflow model will
become less easy to read.

Another way, following the idea of removing the bubbles, would
probably be coloring of start and end activities.
As the editor knows start and end activities (by counting transitions)
it could automatically change the background color (we could keep blue
and yellow, for instance) of that particular activity boxes.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen
   / Best Regards,
Ing. Peter Wagner
BM.I Support Unit ZMR
Tel: +43 1 31346 39159

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael N. Lipp [mailto:mnl@xxxxxx]
Sent: Dienstag, 18. Mai 2004 12:51
To: jawe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [jawe] Start/End bubbles

Sasa Bojanic wrote:

>But if XPDL creator wants one can easily determine start/ends (no matter of
editor being used), he can give them appropriate names,
>but we can't force creator to create start/end activities with fixed names
to "Start" and "End" or something (in your use case, we
>can suggest it, but not fix it). Also, I suppose that every XPDL editor
will recognize possible start/ends based on number of
>incoming/outgoing transitions which should be zero (this is how JaWE does
it), and then display it in its own way (by coloring them,
>adding bubbles, ...).
I didn't suggest fixed names, just defaults. What I think of is having
three icons (or menu entry entries) "Start", "End" or "Activity" (just
like it is currently). When inserting the "start bullet" in the diagram,
you get an additional dialog querying how to implement start (as route,
subflow or generic activity) then the start bullet is inserted in the
diagram just as it is currently (with -- maybe -- a default name
"Start", but this is really a minor issue).

The context menu of the start bullet now does not only include "delete"
as it does today, but also "Properties", which displays the properties
dialog as appropriate for the activity type chosen when creating the
start bullet. The dialog has an additional check item "Start-activity"
which is checked. When unchecked, the activity looses its "start"
property and is displayed (and handled) just like any other activity of
the chosen type.

While being a start activity, however, the activity is displayed as
yellow bullet, it cannot be chosen as the end point of a transition, and
verification says "yes, there is a start activity, the process is OK (in
this respect)". Of course, you can consider any activity without an
incoming transition a start activity (that's the way we do it). But the
impression I got from Peter Wagner's mail was that there is a demand for
explicitly marking start- and end activities, for documentation
purposes, and e.g. to enable verification to determine if every activity
can be reached from one of the given start activities (or whatever you
want to verify).

All this is just a suggestion that came to mind when I read the recent
mails. I know that we have quite different attitudes towards those
start- and end-bullets as our previous discussion some months ago has
shown. I just wanted to share the idea and I hope, it has become clear
by now. Wether you want to go in this direction or not is, obviously,
absolutely up to you.

 - Michael


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